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		<title>By: Rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10897</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ryan, this was very useful... we issued a convertible note and got our financing, so now we need to convert the note to equity. 

Question: How does this work from the accounting side?

So, when the note is issued ($100K as per your example), we need to make a journal entry:

Cash (Assets): +100K
Long Term Notes (Liabilities): +100K

What&#039;s the journal entry we need to make once the note 
converts?

I assume:
Long Term Notes (Liabilities): -100K (to cancel the note)
Paid-in Capital (Equity): +100K?
Common-stock?: +25k?

This doesn&#039;t balance. How do I account for the discount that the investor got? Any help would be greatly appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ryan, this was very useful&#8230; we issued a convertible note and got our financing, so now we need to convert the note to equity. </p>
<p>Question: How does this work from the accounting side?</p>
<p>So, when the note is issued ($100K as per your example), we need to make a journal entry:</p>
<p>Cash (Assets): +100K<br />
Long Term Notes (Liabilities): +100K</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the journal entry we need to make once the note<br />
converts?</p>
<p>I assume:<br />
Long Term Notes (Liabilities): -100K (to cancel the note)<br />
Paid-in Capital (Equity): +100K?<br />
Common-stock?: +25k?</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t balance. How do I account for the discount that the investor got? Any help would be greatly appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: A Solution to the MBA/Entrepreneurship Paradox &#171; The wannabe VC</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10709</link>
		<dc:creator>A Solution to the MBA/Entrepreneurship Paradox &#171; The wannabe VC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] business schools refund the MBA loan to the bank and converts it to convertible debt based on the startup the student has started during the course. The loan would convert to equity in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Convertible Question</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10592</link>
		<dc:creator>Convertible Question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What forms would one need to fill out to extend the maturity date on a convertible note? All investors have agreed verbally but we are unsure of what needs to be legally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What forms would one need to fill out to extend the maturity date on a convertible note? All investors have agreed verbally but we are unsure of what needs to be legally.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Moore</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10494</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your example of the convertible note there was no interest converted. If the note is canceled just the principle is converted or the interested accured from the note converted too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your example of the convertible note there was no interest converted. If the note is canceled just the principle is converted or the interested accured from the note converted too?</p>
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		<title>By: Quora</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10483</link>
		<dc:creator>Quora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What are the best online resources (blogs, podcasts, articles, etc.) on startups and entrepreneurship?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Incorporation * Startup Company Laywer: What type of entity should I form? (http://www.startupcompanylawyer.com/2009/03/12/what-type-of-entity-should-i-form/) * Startup Company Lawyer: What state should I incorporate in? (http://www.startupcompanylawye...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What are the best online resources (blogs, podcasts, articles, etc.) on startups and entrepreneurship?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Incorporation * Startup Company Laywer: What type of entity should I form? (http://www.startupcompanylawyer.com/2009/03/12/what-type-of-entity-should-i-form/) * Startup Company Lawyer: What state should I incorporate in? (http://www.startupcompanylawye&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter M</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-10386</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be the appropriate conversion structure if a prospective convertible debt investor wanted some ability to convert to equity if the company received a sizeable non-dilutive grant from a State agency that could prevent or significantly delay the need for additional capital?  

Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be the appropriate conversion structure if a prospective convertible debt investor wanted some ability to convert to equity if the company received a sizeable non-dilutive grant from a State agency that could prevent or significantly delay the need for additional capital?  </p>
<p>Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rk</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-9876</link>
		<dc:creator>Rk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 02:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The initial promissory note will bear an interest right ? Or only if it is termed as convertible bond, will it bear an interest ? 

My question is, if it bears interest, will it still be automatically converted to equity ? When can the interest payments stop ?

Could you also explain, what does warrant mean ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The initial promissory note will bear an interest right ? Or only if it is termed as convertible bond, will it bear an interest ? </p>
<p>My question is, if it bears interest, will it still be automatically converted to equity ? When can the interest payments stop ?</p>
<p>Could you also explain, what does warrant mean ?</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Rincón</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Rincón</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great explanation, simple and direct. Thanks a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great explanation, simple and direct. Thanks a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-5927</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe the new investor should be diluted by the discount or warrant coverage.  It seems to me that that the new investor gets a percentage of the equity based on the pre-money value including the debt.  If there is warrant conversion or additional shares issued to the bridge investor, it should only dilute the existing investors, not the new investor.  End of the day, Post Money = Pre-Money Value (including note) plus New Money.  No value is created by virtue of the discount or warrant coverage being triggered, and the new investor should not pay for it.   The formula above does not take this into account?  It dilute the new investor when the discount or warrant coverage kicks in.  Can you explain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the new investor should be diluted by the discount or warrant coverage.  It seems to me that that the new investor gets a percentage of the equity based on the pre-money value including the debt.  If there is warrant conversion or additional shares issued to the bridge investor, it should only dilute the existing investors, not the new investor.  End of the day, Post Money = Pre-Money Value (including note) plus New Money.  No value is created by virtue of the discount or warrant coverage being triggered, and the new investor should not pay for it.   The formula above does not take this into account?  It dilute the new investor when the discount or warrant coverage kicks in.  Can you explain?</p>
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		<title>By: Should you raise Angel or Venture Capital money? &#124; Young successful entrepreneur</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-5636</link>
		<dc:creator>Should you raise Angel or Venture Capital money? &#124; Young successful entrepreneur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have already raised $100K on a convertible note from our personal networks - this is great because we did not price the round and it allows us to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-3465</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if the company is not able to raise further rounds of funding?  Does the promissory note become payable at a certain date like a normal bank loan?  Or is there some clause which at some point of time compulsorily converts the note into equity?  

If it becomes payable, isn&#039;t this a highly risky form of capital raising for a seed stage startup?  Things are so volatile at that stage that anything could go wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if the company is not able to raise further rounds of funding?  Does the promissory note become payable at a certain date like a normal bank loan?  Or is there some clause which at some point of time compulsorily converts the note into equity?  </p>
<p>If it becomes payable, isn&#8217;t this a highly risky form of capital raising for a seed stage startup?  Things are so volatile at that stage that anything could go wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-2158</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is typically a nominal interest rate (not 0 but also not something high, i.e. 10% or more) and it pays usually upon maturity or other event like a sale or financing.  All are negotiation points, though.

These types of notes differ from a late stage PE deal re how interest is calculated and payment terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is typically a nominal interest rate (not 0 but also not something high, i.e. 10% or more) and it pays usually upon maturity or other event like a sale or financing.  All are negotiation points, though.</p>
<p>These types of notes differ from a late stage PE deal re how interest is calculated and payment terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Gayle</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-2108</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do these convertible notes typically come with a coupon rate? How often is the coupon paid?

Or is it typically interest free, with the discount included as compensation for the forgone interest?

If it does include a coupon, then your Joe Angel example above misses out that minor detail, which could cost the startup say $5K every 6 months (assuming a 10% coupon, payable semi-annually).

Is that a correct assessment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do these convertible notes typically come with a coupon rate? How often is the coupon paid?</p>
<p>Or is it typically interest free, with the discount included as compensation for the forgone interest?</p>
<p>If it does include a coupon, then your Joe Angel example above misses out that minor detail, which could cost the startup say $5K every 6 months (assuming a 10% coupon, payable semi-annually).</p>
<p>Is that a correct assessment?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Cother</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Cother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mick  Grant/ J Adams 
 
On a related but not direct subject - Dave McClure has great commentary of timing for Angel funding.  This doesn&#039;t address structure, but when an investor is looking or should be looking to double down.  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2010/07/moneyball-for-startups.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2010/07/money...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Sorry for the linkout Ryan - But Dave McClure rocks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mick  Grant/ J Adams</p>
<p>On a related but not direct subject &#8211; Dave McClure has great commentary of timing for Angel funding.  This doesn&#39;t address structure, but when an investor is looking or should be looking to double down. </p>
<p>  <a href="http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2010/07/moneyball-for-startups.html" rel="nofollow">http://500hats.typepad.com/500blogs/2010/07/money&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>Sorry for the linkout Ryan &#8211; But Dave McClure rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: J Adams</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>J Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, 
What if I wanted to use this security as additional funding. Say the comapy secures $300k, which is delived in 2 stages. But when the time comes Investor in this case an institution fails to pay. Now 50% of the way is a really bad place for a startup. Syndication of investment for remaning $150K as a note seems like hte fastest way out of a bad position. But can be done? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>What if I wanted to use this security as additional funding. Say the comapy secures $300k, which is delived in 2 stages. But when the time comes Investor in this case an institution fails to pay. Now 50% of the way is a really bad place for a startup. Syndication of investment for remaning $150K as a note seems like hte fastest way out of a bad position. But can be done?</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Grant</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, 
 
thanks for all your comments. very informative.. 
 
I am interested to understand the risk in convertible note purchase agreements... If company A is looking for $10m series A investment but needs $300k (convertible note) angel investment to get through the early stages what guarantees are there that the series A will in fact happen? In other words, if i was the Angel investor i would want to be pretty certain that the series A would be going ahead once i had committed my $300k. The reason I ask is that I have unwittingly found myself as the middle man in such a deal and expect to profit from a finder&#039;s fee. I need to persuade would be Angel&#039;s that it is a good investment (the series A investment does indeed look &#039;likely&#039; as far as the team putting together the proposal are concerned, but i guess as an outsider I would appreciate some advice on what to do to make the case as compelling as possible for the Angel Investor. I am sure Company A who are seeking the investment will pitch well when i connect them with possibles Angel&#039;s but i would like to understand the risk a little better and what i can do as the middle man to persuade would-be Angels that the risk is as low as possible.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>thanks for all your comments. very informative..</p>
<p>I am interested to understand the risk in convertible note purchase agreements&#8230; If company A is looking for $10m series A investment but needs $300k (convertible note) angel investment to get through the early stages what guarantees are there that the series A will in fact happen? In other words, if i was the Angel investor i would want to be pretty certain that the series A would be going ahead once i had committed my $300k. The reason I ask is that I have unwittingly found myself as the middle man in such a deal and expect to profit from a finder&#39;s fee. I need to persuade would be Angel&#39;s that it is a good investment (the series A investment does indeed look &#39;likely&#39; as far as the team putting together the proposal are concerned, but i guess as an outsider I would appreciate some advice on what to do to make the case as compelling as possible for the Angel Investor. I am sure Company A who are seeking the investment will pitch well when i connect them with possibles Angel&#39;s but i would like to understand the risk a little better and what i can do as the middle man to persuade would-be Angels that the risk is as low as possible..</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Wolf</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1824</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ryan, 
Great article.  I have an interesting situation where a guy wants to invest in my company with convertiple debt that converts at a fixed multiple of earnings in the future.  Hes willing to wait for the third years earnings to convert based on.  The company is an internet company that we are just taking out of the test marketing stage and starting to do a real big expansion.  We could be very profitable but some of the issues that I&#039;m worrying about is what happens if we reinvest all our money in the company and don&#039;t show any earnings and also am I entering into a deal where I may lose my shirt. 
I know that I&#039;m probably not giving enough information but I have never heard of this kind of a deal and I need some guidance. 
Thanks, 
Steven Wolf </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan,</p>
<p>Great article.  I have an interesting situation where a guy wants to invest in my company with convertiple debt that converts at a fixed multiple of earnings in the future.  Hes willing to wait for the third years earnings to convert based on.  The company is an internet company that we are just taking out of the test marketing stage and starting to do a real big expansion.  We could be very profitable but some of the issues that I&#39;m worrying about is what happens if we reinvest all our money in the company and don&#39;t show any earnings and also am I entering into a deal where I may lose my shirt.</p>
<p>I know that I&#39;m probably not giving enough information but I have never heard of this kind of a deal and I need some guidance.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Steven Wolf</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Roberts</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really a simple way to do that.  At a minimum, you&#039;ll have to contract for the warrant coverage/kicker in a note &amp; warrant purchase agreement, the terms of note payment in the note, and then provide a form of warrant.  Of course, you&#039;ll have to mind the potential tax implications of the warrants as well.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a simple way to do that.  At a minimum, you&#8217;ll have to contract for the warrant coverage/kicker in a note &#038; warrant purchase agreement, the terms of note payment in the note, and then provide a form of warrant.  Of course, you&#8217;ll have to mind the potential tax implications of the warrants as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Stoner</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Stoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

I have lots of experience using convertible notes to raise capital in past startups. However, my current situation is a little different. I would like to actually service the debt as a regularly amortized payment as an option should the investor choose to never convert or if the other trigger events never take place. For the sake of example, let&#039;s say the note is for $25k at 10% per annum, payable monthly with a 24 month term/maturity. It has regular tag-along/drag-along provisions customary with such notes (e.g., http://blog.lookery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/generic-convertible-note.doc). In my case, rather than a discount conversion with a cap, I would like to issue warrant coverage and/or a warrant kicker as a sweetener that the investor can hang on to even if there is no future round and the note is paid in full and canceled as a result. How would you most simply address these points using a template like I&#039;ve provided in the link above?

Keep up the great work!

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>I have lots of experience using convertible notes to raise capital in past startups. However, my current situation is a little different. I would like to actually service the debt as a regularly amortized payment as an option should the investor choose to never convert or if the other trigger events never take place. For the sake of example, let&#8217;s say the note is for $25k at 10% per annum, payable monthly with a 24 month term/maturity. It has regular tag-along/drag-along provisions customary with such notes (e.g., <a href="http://blog.lookery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/generic-convertible-note.doc" rel="nofollow">http://blog.lookery.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/generic-convertible-note.doc</a>). In my case, rather than a discount conversion with a cap, I would like to issue warrant coverage and/or a warrant kicker as a sweetener that the investor can hang on to even if there is no future round and the note is paid in full and canceled as a result. How would you most simply address these points using a template like I&#8217;ve provided in the link above?</p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Roberts</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/convertible-notes/how-convertible-debt-works#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - Assuming the maturity date of the note is reached (and the investors will not extend the maturity date) without a qualified financing, the startup can either (a) pay the outstanding principal plus any accrued interest on the note, or (b) convert the note into the startup&#039;s common stock. 
 
(a) is probably unlikely, and (b) is a difficult negotiation, especially up front because then you have the valuation issue (which is probably why you avoided an equity financing to begin with).  But if the startup can&#039;t agree to a conversion and repay the note, the investors could essentially call the note and force the startup into bankruptcy. 
 
Extending the note for consideration (higher interest, additional security) may be an option.  You could also modify the note to include a paydown schedule. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; Assuming the maturity date of the note is reached (and the investors will not extend the maturity date) without a qualified financing, the startup can either (a) pay the outstanding principal plus any accrued interest on the note, or (b) convert the note into the startup&#39;s common stock.</p>
<p>(a) is probably unlikely, and (b) is a difficult negotiation, especially up front because then you have the valuation issue (which is probably why you avoided an equity financing to begin with).  But if the startup can&#39;t agree to a conversion and repay the note, the investors could essentially call the note and force the startup into bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Extending the note for consideration (higher interest, additional security) may be an option.  You could also modify the note to include a paydown schedule.</p>
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