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		<title>By: JFDI &#62; MBA &#124; apknole</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFDI &#62; MBA &#124; apknole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 06:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You should be brutally honest with yourself and your co-founder about expected responsibilities and make sure you do that co-founder equity vesting thing … [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear all, besides the vesting, management has usually a lock-in period in case of a successful exit before they can take on new ventures. How long is this period usually and do you have examples? Many thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all, besides the vesting, management has usually a lock-in period in case of a successful exit before they can take on new ventures. How long is this period usually and do you have examples? Many thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: The Checklist Every Entrepreneur Should Read Before Launching a Startup</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Checklist Every Entrepreneur Should Read Before Launching a Startup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Team, But Quickly and After the Awkward &amp; Difficult Conversations 8. Vest Founders Shares?: Hell Yes 9. Vesting Schedule for Founders Shares: 4 years with a One Year Cliff 10. Consideration for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/incorporation/why-your-startups-founders-stock-should-vest-over-time#comment-10509</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan

Great post. I have a few questions regarding my venture. Sorry about the lengthy response.

I&#039;m in the process of forming an LLC for a venture that I started. I  brought-in a co-founder (personal friend) who serves as my technical arm. We have a customer and need to form the company asap.

Questions:

1. Should I form the LLC with a 100% stake first and then sign a MoU with the co-founder awarding him a stake with a vesting schedule? Or, should I include him as the member of the LLC at the time of formation? Are there pros/cons for either approach?

2. If I was to apply a vesting schedule for a stake, how does it work when the LLC is being formed? I&#039;m planning to use legal zoom or Nolo to save on costs. Does LegalZoom or Nolo allow for setting-up memberships with a vesting schedule?

3. If one was to form the LLC with 100% stake, is it of any advantage to have your spouse be a stakeholder too irrespective of whether he/she is a contributing member of the company? For example, I start the LLC with the following:

T=0:
member 1 (co-founder 1): 89%
member 2 (co-founder 1&#039;s spouse): 11%

T1=T+1 month:
member 1 (co-founder 1): 51%
member 2 (co-founder 1&#039;s spouse who is not contributing): 8%
member 3 (co-founder 2): 41%

Assume at T2 we receive interest from a VC, and assuming we change the company from an LLC to a C-Corp., and the company is valued at $100K.

T2=T+1 year
member 1 (co-founder 1): 51% - value $51K
member 2 (co-founder 1&#039;s spouse who is not contributing): 8% - value $8K
member 3 (co-founder 2): 41% - value $41K

Will the value of member2&#039;s stake (per share) be perceived any lesser than the other members because of the fact that the member was not an active contributor within the company?

Usually, the VCs put a multiplication factor to buy-out the shares from the respective shareholders. Assuming the factor is 3x (average for a product company), will member2&#039;s factor be any lesser because he/she is a passive stakeholder?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan</p>
<p>Great post. I have a few questions regarding my venture. Sorry about the lengthy response.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the process of forming an LLC for a venture that I started. I  brought-in a co-founder (personal friend) who serves as my technical arm. We have a customer and need to form the company asap.</p>
<p>Questions:</p>
<p>1. Should I form the LLC with a 100% stake first and then sign a MoU with the co-founder awarding him a stake with a vesting schedule? Or, should I include him as the member of the LLC at the time of formation? Are there pros/cons for either approach?</p>
<p>2. If I was to apply a vesting schedule for a stake, how does it work when the LLC is being formed? I&#8217;m planning to use legal zoom or Nolo to save on costs. Does LegalZoom or Nolo allow for setting-up memberships with a vesting schedule?</p>
<p>3. If one was to form the LLC with 100% stake, is it of any advantage to have your spouse be a stakeholder too irrespective of whether he/she is a contributing member of the company? For example, I start the LLC with the following:</p>
<p>T=0:<br />
member 1 (co-founder 1): 89%<br />
member 2 (co-founder 1&#8242;s spouse): 11%</p>
<p>T1=T+1 month:<br />
member 1 (co-founder 1): 51%<br />
member 2 (co-founder 1&#8242;s spouse who is not contributing): 8%<br />
member 3 (co-founder 2): 41%</p>
<p>Assume at T2 we receive interest from a VC, and assuming we change the company from an LLC to a C-Corp., and the company is valued at $100K.</p>
<p>T2=T+1 year<br />
member 1 (co-founder 1): 51% &#8211; value $51K<br />
member 2 (co-founder 1&#8242;s spouse who is not contributing): 8% &#8211; value $8K<br />
member 3 (co-founder 2): 41% &#8211; value $41K</p>
<p>Will the value of member2&#8242;s stake (per share) be perceived any lesser than the other members because of the fact that the member was not an active contributor within the company?</p>
<p>Usually, the VCs put a multiplication factor to buy-out the shares from the respective shareholders. Assuming the factor is 3x (average for a product company), will member2&#8242;s factor be any lesser because he/she is a passive stakeholder?</p>
<p>Any input is appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what if your company is bought out before  your first anniversary? I know this isn&#039;t statistically common but I&#039;m sure it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if your company is bought out before  your first anniversary? I know this isn&#8217;t statistically common but I&#8217;m sure it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan:

I have a startup company, established last year with 20MM shares authorized and I have issued 3MM shares already. I like to raise $1MM for my project, I have few questions hopefully that you could shed some light to my confusion:

1) If I raise $1MM at $1.00 each. Hence I&#039;m giving up about 25% of the company already. Is this a bad idea to start with, since I should own more shares from the beginning, let say 50-60% of authorized shares. If that is the case, what could I do to remedy the issue. Could I do the vesting schedule for more shares?

2) Which offering would be best Reg. A and SCOR or Reg. 504. I want to advertise publicly, since it&#039;s easier to raise fund. Why not too many people using Reg. A as my understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan:</p>
<p>I have a startup company, established last year with 20MM shares authorized and I have issued 3MM shares already. I like to raise $1MM for my project, I have few questions hopefully that you could shed some light to my confusion:</p>
<p>1) If I raise $1MM at $1.00 each. Hence I&#8217;m giving up about 25% of the company already. Is this a bad idea to start with, since I should own more shares from the beginning, let say 50-60% of authorized shares. If that is the case, what could I do to remedy the issue. Could I do the vesting schedule for more shares?</p>
<p>2) Which offering would be best Reg. A and SCOR or Reg. 504. I want to advertise publicly, since it&#8217;s easier to raise fund. Why not too many people using Reg. A as my understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And definitely, thank you for the helpful post. These topics overwhelm my small brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And definitely, thank you for the helpful post. These topics overwhelm my small brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m missing the obvious...

1. How is percentage of profit determined when all stock has not yet been vested? If a company turns a good profit in year 3, but stock has not yet fully vested, how is profit distributed?

2. If the company is acquired, is all stock distributed and paid out?

3. If a company has undergone funding, and a founder drops out, what happens to his/her stock? Does it get split between the founders at their ownership level to later vest to them? Do the investors now receive a portion of it relative to their stake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing the obvious&#8230;</p>
<p>1. How is percentage of profit determined when all stock has not yet been vested? If a company turns a good profit in year 3, but stock has not yet fully vested, how is profit distributed?</p>
<p>2. If the company is acquired, is all stock distributed and paid out?</p>
<p>3. If a company has undergone funding, and a founder drops out, what happens to his/her stock? Does it get split between the founders at their ownership level to later vest to them? Do the investors now receive a portion of it relative to their stake?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed reading the information.  Have a question about startup documents.  I have a company and, unfortunately, have already signed documents with some for percentages of the company.  That being said, the founder&#039;s stock purchase agreement was to be presented to them this week.  Can I still give them a vesting schedule along with the stock agreement, or am I stuck?

Looking forward to your response...thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading the information.  Have a question about startup documents.  I have a company and, unfortunately, have already signed documents with some for percentages of the company.  That being said, the founder&#8217;s stock purchase agreement was to be presented to them this week.  Can I still give them a vesting schedule along with the stock agreement, or am I stuck?</p>
<p>Looking forward to your response&#8230;thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

With cliff vesting, what is the usual and customary method for creating the founder stock certificates. 

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>With cliff vesting, what is the usual and customary method for creating the founder stock certificates. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan,

Thanks for all the great content.  Quick question: who controls the founder&#039;s shares while they&#039;re being vested?  Is there an escrow for that or does the attorney handle this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>Thanks for all the great content.  Quick question: who controls the founder&#8217;s shares while they&#8217;re being vested?  Is there an escrow for that or does the attorney handle this?</p>
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		<title>By: Verne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the valuable insight.  I am contemplating working for a company that started 3 years ago.  They are a private entity.  Part of my compensation will be in the form of employee stock options.  I wanted to understand what percentage of ownership I would have with my shares.  When I asked them how many total shares outstanding there were; they said they could not tell me that becaused as a private company, this is priviledged information.  It sounds shady to me, should I be concerned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the valuable insight.  I am contemplating working for a company that started 3 years ago.  They are a private entity.  Part of my compensation will be in the form of employee stock options.  I wanted to understand what percentage of ownership I would have with my shares.  When I asked them how many total shares outstanding there were; they said they could not tell me that becaused as a private company, this is priviledged information.  It sounds shady to me, should I be concerned?</p>
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		<title>By: Verne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the valuable insight.  I am contemplating working for a company that started 3 years ago.  They are a private entity.  Part of my compensation will be in the form of employee stock options.  I wanted to understand what percentage of ownership I would have with my shares.  When I asked them how many total shares outstanding there were; they said they could not tell me that becaused as a private company, this is priviledged information.  It sounds shady to me, should I be concerned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the valuable insight.  I am contemplating working for a company that started 3 years ago.  They are a private entity.  Part of my compensation will be in the form of employee stock options.  I wanted to understand what percentage of ownership I would have with my shares.  When I asked them how many total shares outstanding there were; they said they could not tell me that becaused as a private company, this is priviledged information.  It sounds shady to me, should I be concerned?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does vesting apply to an LLC? My partner and I would like to put a 4 year vest on our ownership units. Do LLC owners generally issue all the units and just have a buy back agreement related to time with  the company if a founder leaves early? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does vesting apply to an LLC? My partner and I would like to put a 4 year vest on our ownership units. Do LLC owners generally issue all the units and just have a buy back agreement related to time with  the company if a founder leaves early?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does vesting apply to an LLC? My partner and I would like to put a 4 year vest on our ownership units. Do LLC owners generally issue all the units and just have a buy back agreement related to time with  the company if a founder leaves early?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does vesting apply to an LLC? My partner and I would like to put a 4 year vest on our ownership units. Do LLC owners generally issue all the units and just have a buy back agreement related to time with  the company if a founder leaves early?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://startuplawyer.com/incorporation/why-your-startups-founders-stock-should-vest-over-time#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does 409A apply to the deferred compensation from the 4 yr vesting + clff? Does timing of the issuance factor in, or is a valuation always recommended?
What if the founders worked beforehand as a common law partnership, contributing these partnership interests (and resulting IP) to the newly formed entity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does 409A apply to the deferred compensation from the 4 yr vesting + clff? Does timing of the issuance factor in, or is a valuation always recommended?<br />
What if the founders worked beforehand as a common law partnership, contributing these partnership interests (and resulting IP) to the newly formed entity?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does 409A apply to the deferred compensation from the 4 yr vesting + clff? Does timing of the issuance factor in, or is a valuation always recommended?
What if the founders worked beforehand as a common law partnership, contributing these partnership interests (and resulting IP) to the newly formed entity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does 409A apply to the deferred compensation from the 4 yr vesting + clff? Does timing of the issuance factor in, or is a valuation always recommended?<br />
What if the founders worked beforehand as a common law partnership, contributing these partnership interests (and resulting IP) to the newly formed entity?</p>
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		<title>By: Vesting Founders Stock with a Vesting Schedule &#124; Startup Lawyer &#124; Business and Financial News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vesting Founders Stock with a Vesting Schedule &#124; Startup Lawyer &#124; Business and Financial News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff - 1 question: If a founder has vesting according to the recommended schedule. And let&#039;s say it get&#039;s aquired at year 2 or so. What are the possible scenarios after that? Is it up to the buyer to decide upon accelerated vesting or what are the likely scenarios? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff &#8211; 1 question: If a founder has vesting according to the recommended schedule. And let&#39;s say it get&#39;s aquired at year 2 or so. What are the possible scenarios after that? Is it up to the buyer to decide upon accelerated vesting or what are the likely scenarios?</p>
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		<title>By: Jakob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff - 1 question: If a founder has vesting according to the recommended schedule. And let&#039;s say it get&#039;s aquired at year 2 or so. What are the possible scenarios after that? Is it up to the buyer to decide upon accelerated vesting or what are the likely scenarios?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff &#8211; 1 question: If a founder has vesting according to the recommended schedule. And let&#039;s say it get&#039;s aquired at year 2 or so. What are the possible scenarios after that? Is it up to the buyer to decide upon accelerated vesting or what are the likely scenarios?</p>
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